Portly pigs dont cut it. Power is overcome by weight. Look at all the Neons that do well. A JZA80 might be better, its supposedly like 150 lbs lighter.

1987 Toyota Supra

I don't know about the 3rd gens, but I have found the JZA80 to be suprisingly competent on the auto-x courses. On the first event of the year ( http://www.auto-x.com/res0302.htm ), which was a pretty simple parking-lot course, I managed to beat all 10 Miatas in attendance in the RAIN! I ran most of the events this year on Michelin Pilots, so the rain helped even out the field. The last event I attended was a rediculously technical course (1:10 runs, and only one short section required an upshift to second), and that's when the Supra's weight really shows itself. But I atleast dominated my class. ( http://www.auto-x.com/res0602.htm )

Mike T
94 Supra TT 6spd
"Silly ricer, synchros are for kids"

Well i used to auto X a Neon but then i wrecked it. Now i have this Non-turbo MK.III and i'm going to auto X it. I know it probably won't be the fastest car out there but that's what the classifications are for. I'm going to be a PAX junkie. G stock here i come!!!

Autocrossing is not all about power, but about how well the car handles (suspension mods, etc) and most importantly, the driver. Though weight might be a factor, but shouldn't be the reason as to why a person cannot and would not autocross their MKIII. Hell. I do it, and I enjoy it and that's what's most important

I love my Supra ^_^

MkIII's do quite well at all the local AutoX events around the Socal area. They're not setting any records but they're keeping up quite nicely. I have a friend who's the number one or two AutoXer for all the local events and he races a Porsche and says that the Supra's that come out to the events do quite well.

John Carnes
88 - Fun Weekends
=Performance Valve Job
=Cusco Racing Front STB
=Cusco Rear STB
=JIC Lower Frame Support
92 - Rally Supra
=Unusually high stock suspension

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Originally posted by Nick M:
Portly pigs dont cut it. Power is overcome by weight. Look at all the Neons that do well. A JZA80 might be better, its supposedly like 150 lbs lighter.

1987 Toyota Supra

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man... who do you think you are teling the mk3 community that their car's cannot handle? we dont drive rustangs that cant take an onramp without screeching tires. if your definition of a good autox car is based on power to weight ratio alone, then you are a complete moron. autox has more to do with the driver than anything else. you act like you are some big guy up there knowing everything there is to know about cars, yet you are one of the most ignorant and narrow minded people i have ever had the misfortune of crossing my way.

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man... who do you think you are teling the mk3 community that their car's cannot handle? we dont drive rustangs that cant take an onramp without screeching tires.

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A bit hypocritical, don't you think!

Mike T
94 Supra TT 6spd
"Silly ricer, synchros are for kids"

hey a MKIII may not be as light as a lot of other cars, but ive been to a few Auto X events and its by far not outclased. Ever see a Camaro run Auto X? How about a 1982 Corvette? The camaro outweighs the MKIII by a bit and is MUCH looser in handling. I wont say that MKIII's arent heavy, quite the opposite. However Look at things in perspective. Some people have had success with a MKIII on Auto X. Those who say it cannot be done should get out of the way of those that are doing it.

1992 Turbo 5spd

Save the whales, collect the whole set

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man... who do you think you are teling the mk3 community that their car's cannot handle?

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read that again, and take it slow this time gump

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if your definition of a good autox car is based on power to weight ratio alone,

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where did you read that??? i asked if anybody really autocrosses a very heavy car like that

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you act like you are some big guy up there knowing everything there is to know about cars, yet you are one of the most ignorant and narrow minded people i have ever had the misfortune of crossing my way.

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you cant paste one thing to prove that, your a dipshit

1987 Toyota Supra

I didnt think you had anything to say but broken sentence fragments.

1987 Toyota Supra

I had some success autocrossing an MR2 for a couple of years. Wasn't nationally competitive, but I didn't embarass myself against the national champs in the bay area. And my mr2 is faster on tight stuff than my supra. Even though my mkiii now weighs only 200lbs more. That said, it took a good year to get the mr2 handling just the way I wanted within the allowable modifications of the stock class. Given time, tuning, and better tires I don't think a properly driven supra would be outclassed by the pony cars. Still, Supra's are long-legged cars, and I find mine much better suited on road courses (where it's a great deal faster than the mr2)

Jeff Gore
87t hardtop
11psi and 3050lbs

The MA70 is one of the best handling cars made at the time. However, heavy is detrimental. Thats my point. It handles so much better than my 5.0(not saying much there) that its not even funny.

1987 Toyota Supra

Past:
1990 Mustang GT 1988 Supra
1988 Supra Turbo
1989 Supra Turbo-threw a rod, kept turbo for current ride
1987 Supra, 1988 Supra
1991 Maxima SE, 1981 Chevette(yes im serious)1987 Taurus
1981 Celica GT(the first car)

hey nick m....who told you that the jza80 was 150 lbs lighter? if you did your homework you would know that the mk4 weighs a couple HUNDRED pounds more than the mk3. i raced at the Iowa International Racway with my mk3 bone stock except for intake and a blow-off valve. they also take 2002 corvette z06's to the tracks and the dealers race them for fun. now i know that my mk3 is not nearly as fast as a z06, but they were only running 2 seconds faster than myself. and GO-CARTS were faster than the Z06's by 6 seconds. i know that 2 seconds faster is hard to get, but considering the conditions i did extremely well.

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hey nick m....who told you that the jza80 was 150 lbs lighter? if you did your homework you would know that the mk4 weighs a couple HUNDRED pounds more than the mk3. i raced at the Iowa International Racway with my mk3 bone stock except for intake and a blow-off valve. they also take 2002 corvette z06's to the tracks and the dealers race them for fun. now i know that my mk3 is not nearly as fast as a z06, but they were only running 2 seconds faster than myself. and GO-CARTS were faster than the Z06's by 6 seconds. i know that 2 seconds faster is hard to get, but considering the conditions i did extremely well.

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1992 MK3 Turbo weights 3534lbs

1993 MK4 Twin Turbo weights 3415lbs

From www.Cars.com

Mike T
94 Supra TT 6spd
"A naturally aspirated engine, is an engine with never-ending lag"

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hey nick m....who told you that the jza80 was 150 lbs lighter

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Toyota did. But I keep forgetting you 12 year olds are smarter than Toyota engineers.
MA70 weighs as much as 3650 with an auto and abs, etc...

AOL Sucks

Nick raped you... just admit it

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'89 Supra Turbo. White on dark blue leather. Automatic. 83,000 miles. Like new. Stock... for the moment. I promise to have pictures soon!
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i auto -x and road race my mkIII whats great about the car is that it does handle very well with the right suspension and brakes and i like to pass all the little light cars on the straights of willow springs beat that!

The car not only expedient of movement for me, it becomes the hand and the foot and moves about unrestrictedly and it gives also power.
The time the ヘコ it is you encourage the feeling which is and/or heal. Directly, don't you think? with rear drive (laughing

I could definetly see road racing an MA70.

AOL Sucks

I had to sign up for this forum just to let you know that I autocross an MA70 Supra turbo. I don't know if you have ever been to an autocross or not but they have different classes for different cars. Small cars do well because for them the track is bigger. When classed with similar cars the Supra does quite well. It is usually a question of driver skill. The fastest cars in each class have one thing in common: fast transient response. A stock supra (mkIII or mk IV) does not have the best transient response. This is due to GT suspension tuning from the factory. A proper alignment and decent shocks give excellent transient response from my overweight pig of a car. Even if you do not win your driving skills will be vastly improved.

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This is due to GT suspension tuning from the factory. A proper alignment and decent shocks give excellent transient response from my overweight pig of a car

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Yes it does.
0 degree camber and 0 degree toe with 7 degrees caster isnt exactly the best for back and forth.

In Tressel we trust.